This bio will focus on Fred Talmadge. His wife and daughter's history are on their mother's page since according to Peg, Fred abandonded the family by the time the girls were junior high age. My children are distantly related to his maternal grandmother's (Chloe) CURTIS(S) family, Connecticut -Massachusette's-England, history therefore, I care. The Talmadge and Curtis(s) lines are colonial Americans the Talmadge girls could have been proud to descend and could have joined the Daughters of American Revolution if they had known their ancestry.
DOB from 1900 NYC census
sources are: 1920-'24 passport applications, newspaper archives, census, city directories, birth, marriage, and death records, familysearch.org, The Talmadge Girls book, (a 1970's memoir), by Loos, Anita, pub. 1978, (archive.org, many early life photos), who was a writer/editor working with them until 1925 and Scott Tallmadge family tree on ancesty.com.
Fred's family history books found on archive.org:
The Talmadge, Tallmadge, and Talmage Genealogy by Arthur White Talmadge Genealogy
Families of ancient New Haven,by Jacobus,, has much family history stemming from #46895539 of New Haven Co, CT.
Tallmadge/Talmadge proud colonial history:
Nathaniel/John #38060432/Josiah I, /Josiah II/Josiah III,Caleb/Lucius/ John W. For four generations 1650-1735: Nathaniel to Josiah I, the Talmadge's live East Hampton, LI, NY. Josiah II marries and moves 1735 to Branford, CT: from there, Talmadges will branch out, this line moves: Wallingford to Cheshire to Oxford to Prospect. John W Talmadge, born Oxford, CT, where his parents lived 1832-1847, then to Prospect, CT. He would move to Burlington, CT to meet Martha A. Culver,
Culver Family history:
Abel Culver/Chloe Curtiss ((Solomon and ?, family under research, who grew up in Burlington, CT with 2 sisters, one her twin, married at Burlington, CT 1864 then move to Plainville, CT, where the Talmadge girls would visit.
Martha's mother's Curtiss/Curtis is another proud Colonial history family.
1860 Martha at Burlington Co, CT:, John in Prospect: each at home with their parents
1870 Bristol, CT the couple live with their only child, Fredrick where he is born
1880 Plainville, CT with his parents, their only child, boarders of the Hastings family,
1890 Fred would be 22, when did he move to NY or NJ? check state census'
1900 census of his parents, Fred was an only child.
Why did Fred move CT to NYC? most likely he didn't want to farm. He worked in the carnival industry, is this how he became an alcoholic by age 25? From a memoir, he met future wife, abt 5 years his senior and spinster of those days, "Peg" , giving her carnival stuffed animals and trinkets. She admitted in memoirs that she was not a pretty girl, wanted to be married and away from her staunch Irish-Catholic parents (hence her surname is not Jose). So, she married January 15, 1893 to Fred against her parents wishes and according to her they disowned her.
According to the birth places of the daughters and their passport application entries, The couple first lived in Jersey City, NJ until 1896 then to Brooklyn, NY, had three daughters by 1900.
1900 Brooklyn, NY, 258-59th st boarding with the Alexander family: entries lists Fred, born CT, Margaret born NY of Irish-born parents (next census' she lists their birth as NY). DOB of daughters (diff from headstones):
Norma, May 2 or 3, 1894 NJ,
Natalie, April 19, 1896 NY,
Constance, April 29, 1898 NY.
Fred works for a book publisher. There is a story that Fred abaondons the family Christmas, 1900, but he is with them in 1900/1910 federal census and 1915 NY state census, but when he was hired about 1915 with Jones Bros circus, he did travel with them vs live at home.
3 daughters, birth dates do not match 1900 NY census:
Norma Talmadge-Schenck-Gessel- James, b:5-26-1897, Jersey City NJ (1900 census lists 1894), d:12-24-1957 of a heart attack, Las Vegas where she lived
1stm: 1916-1934 to producer, Joseph Schenck, 1877-1961, divorced
2ndm: 1934-1939 to comedian George Gessel, divorced
3rdm: 1946-1957 death to her physician, Dr. Carvel James, 1902-1980
no children
Natalie "Nate" M. Talmadge-Keaton, b. 4-29-1900, Brooklyn, NY (1900 census list 1896), d. 1969
m:1921 to 1932 to Buster Keaton, divorced, she never remarried (1930 census he lists divorced and lives in apt), she lived Malibu and Santa Monica in property inherited from Norma
2 sons:
Joseph Keaton (James/Jimmy) b:1922 and
Robert Keaton (Bobby) b:1924
Constance "Dutch" Talmadge-Pialoglous?-MacIntosh-Netcher-Giblin , 4-19-1903, Brooklyn NY (1900 census lists 1898), d:11-20-1973 Los Angeles CA
1stm: 12-1920 to 5-1922, ,John J Pialogiou, NY, div., tobacco trader turned restaurant
2ndm: 1926 to 1927, Alistair MacIntosh, Scotland, div. due to his infidelity
3rdm: 1929 to 1939, Treadwell Netcher,Chicago Dairy Wholesale millionaire
4thm: 1939 to death, Walter Giblin, L.A.,
children?
1910 Brooklyn at 231 Fennimore, near Prospect Park, couple together with 3 dau. aged: 11,13,15, either he did not abandon his family 1900 or it happened Christmas, 1910, he works as an advertising agent, none of the girls are listed working. Margt now lists parents born NY vs Ireland. In the next decade Martha would become a "stage mother", getting the girls work (see Peg's memorial) until 1916 when the girls are making enough money to support her living with them as just their mother.
Evidently a known drunk, he left the family on Christmas Day in the early 1910's (family is together 1910 census) when he went out for hamburgers on xmas morning and never returned. 1920, when the girls are making enough money to live in the Savoy Hotel next to Central Park, Margaret identified him on a park bench, a drunken vagrant. Jones Bros ran a "clean operation" for children to come to the circus so he must have been fired for alcoholism. Constance insisted they rescue him and give him work on film crews in Los Angeles from son-in-law, Joseph Schenck. They moved him to L.A. when they moved about 1921.
1915 all three girls live at 254 Midwood, Brooklyn, the girls are working in films. Fred's father, John Talmadge dies, rumor has it that the girls went to his funeral and visited their grandmother and where their g-grandparent Culver had lived in "the old stone house". see Peg's memorial for how she attained work "in the industry". abt 1915 Fred was hired as advertiser for Johnny J. Jones Exposition Shows & Trained Wild Animal Exhibition which he travelled. Peg claimed he abandoned the family, maybe she refused him to return home due to his alcoholism and the girls making money to support her.
1920 Constance applied for a passport which had a photo of Fred, listing his address of 304 State St, Brooklyn, NY.
1921. He moved to California June with the family,
1925. died of nephritis at the brand new Chase Sanitarium which had to be paid for by Norma and/or Constance.
1926. His mother died in CT
DOB from 1900 NYC census
sources are: 1920-'24 passport applications, newspaper archives, census, city directories, birth, marriage, and death records, familysearch.org, The Talmadge Girls book, (a 1970's memoir), by Loos, Anita, pub. 1978, (archive.org, many early life photos), who was a writer/editor working with them until 1925 and Scott Tallmadge family tree on ancesty.com.
Fred's family history books found on archive.org:
The Talmadge, Tallmadge, and Talmage Genealogy by Arthur White Talmadge Genealogy
Families of ancient New Haven,by Jacobus,, has much family history stemming from #46895539 of New Haven Co, CT.
Tallmadge/Talmadge proud colonial history:
Nathaniel/John #38060432/Josiah I, /Josiah II/Josiah III,Caleb/Lucius/ John W. For four generations 1650-1735: Nathaniel to Josiah I, the Talmadge's live East Hampton, LI, NY. Josiah II marries and moves 1735 to Branford, CT: from there, Talmadges will branch out, this line moves: Wallingford to Cheshire to Oxford to Prospect. John W Talmadge, born Oxford, CT, where his parents lived 1832-1847, then to Prospect, CT. He would move to Burlington, CT to meet Martha A. Culver,
Culver Family history:
Abel Culver/Chloe Curtiss ((Solomon and ?, family under research, who grew up in Burlington, CT with 2 sisters, one her twin, married at Burlington, CT 1864 then move to Plainville, CT, where the Talmadge girls would visit.
Martha's mother's Curtiss/Curtis is another proud Colonial history family.
1860 Martha at Burlington Co, CT:, John in Prospect: each at home with their parents
1870 Bristol, CT the couple live with their only child, Fredrick where he is born
1880 Plainville, CT with his parents, their only child, boarders of the Hastings family,
1890 Fred would be 22, when did he move to NY or NJ? check state census'
1900 census of his parents, Fred was an only child.
Why did Fred move CT to NYC? most likely he didn't want to farm. He worked in the carnival industry, is this how he became an alcoholic by age 25? From a memoir, he met future wife, abt 5 years his senior and spinster of those days, "Peg" , giving her carnival stuffed animals and trinkets. She admitted in memoirs that she was not a pretty girl, wanted to be married and away from her staunch Irish-Catholic parents (hence her surname is not Jose). So, she married January 15, 1893 to Fred against her parents wishes and according to her they disowned her.
According to the birth places of the daughters and their passport application entries, The couple first lived in Jersey City, NJ until 1896 then to Brooklyn, NY, had three daughters by 1900.
1900 Brooklyn, NY, 258-59th st boarding with the Alexander family: entries lists Fred, born CT, Margaret born NY of Irish-born parents (next census' she lists their birth as NY). DOB of daughters (diff from headstones):
Norma, May 2 or 3, 1894 NJ,
Natalie, April 19, 1896 NY,
Constance, April 29, 1898 NY.
Fred works for a book publisher. There is a story that Fred abaondons the family Christmas, 1900, but he is with them in 1900/1910 federal census and 1915 NY state census, but when he was hired about 1915 with Jones Bros circus, he did travel with them vs live at home.
3 daughters, birth dates do not match 1900 NY census:
Norma Talmadge-Schenck-Gessel- James, b:5-26-1897, Jersey City NJ (1900 census lists 1894), d:12-24-1957 of a heart attack, Las Vegas where she lived
1stm: 1916-1934 to producer, Joseph Schenck, 1877-1961, divorced
2ndm: 1934-1939 to comedian George Gessel, divorced
3rdm: 1946-1957 death to her physician, Dr. Carvel James, 1902-1980
no children
Natalie "Nate" M. Talmadge-Keaton, b. 4-29-1900, Brooklyn, NY (1900 census list 1896), d. 1969
m:1921 to 1932 to Buster Keaton, divorced, she never remarried (1930 census he lists divorced and lives in apt), she lived Malibu and Santa Monica in property inherited from Norma
2 sons:
Joseph Keaton (James/Jimmy) b:1922 and
Robert Keaton (Bobby) b:1924
Constance "Dutch" Talmadge-Pialoglous?-MacIntosh-Netcher-Giblin , 4-19-1903, Brooklyn NY (1900 census lists 1898), d:11-20-1973 Los Angeles CA
1stm: 12-1920 to 5-1922, ,John J Pialogiou, NY, div., tobacco trader turned restaurant
2ndm: 1926 to 1927, Alistair MacIntosh, Scotland, div. due to his infidelity
3rdm: 1929 to 1939, Treadwell Netcher,Chicago Dairy Wholesale millionaire
4thm: 1939 to death, Walter Giblin, L.A.,
children?
1910 Brooklyn at 231 Fennimore, near Prospect Park, couple together with 3 dau. aged: 11,13,15, either he did not abandon his family 1900 or it happened Christmas, 1910, he works as an advertising agent, none of the girls are listed working. Margt now lists parents born NY vs Ireland. In the next decade Martha would become a "stage mother", getting the girls work (see Peg's memorial) until 1916 when the girls are making enough money to support her living with them as just their mother.
Evidently a known drunk, he left the family on Christmas Day in the early 1910's (family is together 1910 census) when he went out for hamburgers on xmas morning and never returned. 1920, when the girls are making enough money to live in the Savoy Hotel next to Central Park, Margaret identified him on a park bench, a drunken vagrant. Jones Bros ran a "clean operation" for children to come to the circus so he must have been fired for alcoholism. Constance insisted they rescue him and give him work on film crews in Los Angeles from son-in-law, Joseph Schenck. They moved him to L.A. when they moved about 1921.
1915 all three girls live at 254 Midwood, Brooklyn, the girls are working in films. Fred's father, John Talmadge dies, rumor has it that the girls went to his funeral and visited their grandmother and where their g-grandparent Culver had lived in "the old stone house". see Peg's memorial for how she attained work "in the industry". abt 1915 Fred was hired as advertiser for Johnny J. Jones Exposition Shows & Trained Wild Animal Exhibition which he travelled. Peg claimed he abandoned the family, maybe she refused him to return home due to his alcoholism and the girls making money to support her.
1920 Constance applied for a passport which had a photo of Fred, listing his address of 304 State St, Brooklyn, NY.
1921. He moved to California June with the family,
1925. died of nephritis at the brand new Chase Sanitarium which had to be paid for by Norma and/or Constance.
1926. His mother died in CT
This bio will focus on Fred Talmadge. His wife and daughter's history are on their mother's page since according to Peg, Fred abandonded the family by the time the girls were junior high age. My children are distantly related to his maternal grandmother's (Chloe) CURTIS(S) family, Connecticut -Massachusette's-England, history therefore, I care. The Talmadge and Curtis(s) lines are colonial Americans the Talmadge girls could have been proud to descend and could have joined the Daughters of American Revolution if they had known their ancestry.
DOB from 1900 NYC census
sources are: 1920-'24 passport applications, newspaper archives, census, city directories, birth, marriage, and death records, familysearch.org, The Talmadge Girls book, (a 1970's memoir), by Loos, Anita, pub. 1978, (archive.org, many early life photos), who was a writer/editor working with them until 1925 and Scott Tallmadge family tree on ancesty.com.
Fred's family history books found on archive.org:
The Talmadge, Tallmadge, and Talmage Genealogy by Arthur White Talmadge Genealogy
Families of ancient New Haven,by Jacobus,, has much family history stemming from #46895539 of New Haven Co, CT.
Tallmadge/Talmadge proud colonial history:
Nathaniel/John #38060432/Josiah I, /Josiah II/Josiah III,Caleb/Lucius/ John W. For four generations 1650-1735: Nathaniel to Josiah I, the Talmadge's live East Hampton, LI, NY. Josiah II marries and moves 1735 to Branford, CT: from there, Talmadges will branch out, this line moves: Wallingford to Cheshire to Oxford to Prospect. John W Talmadge, born Oxford, CT, where his parents lived 1832-1847, then to Prospect, CT. He would move to Burlington, CT to meet Martha A. Culver,
Culver Family history:
Abel Culver/Chloe Curtiss ((Solomon and ?, family under research, who grew up in Burlington, CT with 2 sisters, one her twin, married at Burlington, CT 1864 then move to Plainville, CT, where the Talmadge girls would visit.
Martha's mother's Curtiss/Curtis is another proud Colonial history family.
1860 Martha at Burlington Co, CT:, John in Prospect: each at home with their parents
1870 Bristol, CT the couple live with their only child, Fredrick where he is born
1880 Plainville, CT with his parents, their only child, boarders of the Hastings family,
1890 Fred would be 22, when did he move to NY or NJ? check state census'
1900 census of his parents, Fred was an only child.
Why did Fred move CT to NYC? most likely he didn't want to farm. He worked in the carnival industry, is this how he became an alcoholic by age 25? From a memoir, he met future wife, abt 5 years his senior and spinster of those days, "Peg" , giving her carnival stuffed animals and trinkets. She admitted in memoirs that she was not a pretty girl, wanted to be married and away from her staunch Irish-Catholic parents (hence her surname is not Jose). So, she married January 15, 1893 to Fred against her parents wishes and according to her they disowned her.
According to the birth places of the daughters and their passport application entries, The couple first lived in Jersey City, NJ until 1896 then to Brooklyn, NY, had three daughters by 1900.
1900 Brooklyn, NY, 258-59th st boarding with the Alexander family: entries lists Fred, born CT, Margaret born NY of Irish-born parents (next census' she lists their birth as NY). DOB of daughters (diff from headstones):
Norma, May 2 or 3, 1894 NJ,
Natalie, April 19, 1896 NY,
Constance, April 29, 1898 NY.
Fred works for a book publisher. There is a story that Fred abaondons the family Christmas, 1900, but he is with them in 1900/1910 federal census and 1915 NY state census, but when he was hired about 1915 with Jones Bros circus, he did travel with them vs live at home.
3 daughters, birth dates do not match 1900 NY census:
Norma Talmadge-Schenck-Gessel- James, b:5-26-1897, Jersey City NJ (1900 census lists 1894), d:12-24-1957 of a heart attack, Las Vegas where she lived
1stm: 1916-1934 to producer, Joseph Schenck, 1877-1961, divorced
2ndm: 1934-1939 to comedian George Gessel, divorced
3rdm: 1946-1957 death to her physician, Dr. Carvel James, 1902-1980
no children
Natalie "Nate" M. Talmadge-Keaton, b. 4-29-1900, Brooklyn, NY (1900 census list 1896), d. 1969
m:1921 to 1932 to Buster Keaton, divorced, she never remarried (1930 census he lists divorced and lives in apt), she lived Malibu and Santa Monica in property inherited from Norma
2 sons:
Joseph Keaton (James/Jimmy) b:1922 and
Robert Keaton (Bobby) b:1924
Constance "Dutch" Talmadge-Pialoglous?-MacIntosh-Netcher-Giblin , 4-19-1903, Brooklyn NY (1900 census lists 1898), d:11-20-1973 Los Angeles CA
1stm: 12-1920 to 5-1922, ,John J Pialogiou, NY, div., tobacco trader turned restaurant
2ndm: 1926 to 1927, Alistair MacIntosh, Scotland, div. due to his infidelity
3rdm: 1929 to 1939, Treadwell Netcher,Chicago Dairy Wholesale millionaire
4thm: 1939 to death, Walter Giblin, L.A.,
children?
1910 Brooklyn at 231 Fennimore, near Prospect Park, couple together with 3 dau. aged: 11,13,15, either he did not abandon his family 1900 or it happened Christmas, 1910, he works as an advertising agent, none of the girls are listed working. Margt now lists parents born NY vs Ireland. In the next decade Martha would become a "stage mother", getting the girls work (see Peg's memorial) until 1916 when the girls are making enough money to support her living with them as just their mother.
Evidently a known drunk, he left the family on Christmas Day in the early 1910's (family is together 1910 census) when he went out for hamburgers on xmas morning and never returned. 1920, when the girls are making enough money to live in the Savoy Hotel next to Central Park, Margaret identified him on a park bench, a drunken vagrant. Jones Bros ran a "clean operation" for children to come to the circus so he must have been fired for alcoholism. Constance insisted they rescue him and give him work on film crews in Los Angeles from son-in-law, Joseph Schenck. They moved him to L.A. when they moved about 1921.
1915 all three girls live at 254 Midwood, Brooklyn, the girls are working in films. Fred's father, John Talmadge dies, rumor has it that the girls went to his funeral and visited their grandmother and where their g-grandparent Culver had lived in "the old stone house". see Peg's memorial for how she attained work "in the industry". abt 1915 Fred was hired as advertiser for Johnny J. Jones Exposition Shows & Trained Wild Animal Exhibition which he travelled. Peg claimed he abandoned the family, maybe she refused him to return home due to his alcoholism and the girls making money to support her.
1920 Constance applied for a passport which had a photo of Fred, listing his address of 304 State St, Brooklyn, NY.
1921. He moved to California June with the family,
1925. died of nephritis at the brand new Chase Sanitarium which had to be paid for by Norma and/or Constance.
1926. His mother died in CT
DOB from 1900 NYC census
sources are: 1920-'24 passport applications, newspaper archives, census, city directories, birth, marriage, and death records, familysearch.org, The Talmadge Girls book, (a 1970's memoir), by Loos, Anita, pub. 1978, (archive.org, many early life photos), who was a writer/editor working with them until 1925 and Scott Tallmadge family tree on ancesty.com.
Fred's family history books found on archive.org:
The Talmadge, Tallmadge, and Talmage Genealogy by Arthur White Talmadge Genealogy
Families of ancient New Haven,by Jacobus,, has much family history stemming from #46895539 of New Haven Co, CT.
Tallmadge/Talmadge proud colonial history:
Nathaniel/John #38060432/Josiah I, /Josiah II/Josiah III,Caleb/Lucius/ John W. For four generations 1650-1735: Nathaniel to Josiah I, the Talmadge's live East Hampton, LI, NY. Josiah II marries and moves 1735 to Branford, CT: from there, Talmadges will branch out, this line moves: Wallingford to Cheshire to Oxford to Prospect. John W Talmadge, born Oxford, CT, where his parents lived 1832-1847, then to Prospect, CT. He would move to Burlington, CT to meet Martha A. Culver,
Culver Family history:
Abel Culver/Chloe Curtiss ((Solomon and ?, family under research, who grew up in Burlington, CT with 2 sisters, one her twin, married at Burlington, CT 1864 then move to Plainville, CT, where the Talmadge girls would visit.
Martha's mother's Curtiss/Curtis is another proud Colonial history family.
1860 Martha at Burlington Co, CT:, John in Prospect: each at home with their parents
1870 Bristol, CT the couple live with their only child, Fredrick where he is born
1880 Plainville, CT with his parents, their only child, boarders of the Hastings family,
1890 Fred would be 22, when did he move to NY or NJ? check state census'
1900 census of his parents, Fred was an only child.
Why did Fred move CT to NYC? most likely he didn't want to farm. He worked in the carnival industry, is this how he became an alcoholic by age 25? From a memoir, he met future wife, abt 5 years his senior and spinster of those days, "Peg" , giving her carnival stuffed animals and trinkets. She admitted in memoirs that she was not a pretty girl, wanted to be married and away from her staunch Irish-Catholic parents (hence her surname is not Jose). So, she married January 15, 1893 to Fred against her parents wishes and according to her they disowned her.
According to the birth places of the daughters and their passport application entries, The couple first lived in Jersey City, NJ until 1896 then to Brooklyn, NY, had three daughters by 1900.
1900 Brooklyn, NY, 258-59th st boarding with the Alexander family: entries lists Fred, born CT, Margaret born NY of Irish-born parents (next census' she lists their birth as NY). DOB of daughters (diff from headstones):
Norma, May 2 or 3, 1894 NJ,
Natalie, April 19, 1896 NY,
Constance, April 29, 1898 NY.
Fred works for a book publisher. There is a story that Fred abaondons the family Christmas, 1900, but he is with them in 1900/1910 federal census and 1915 NY state census, but when he was hired about 1915 with Jones Bros circus, he did travel with them vs live at home.
3 daughters, birth dates do not match 1900 NY census:
Norma Talmadge-Schenck-Gessel- James, b:5-26-1897, Jersey City NJ (1900 census lists 1894), d:12-24-1957 of a heart attack, Las Vegas where she lived
1stm: 1916-1934 to producer, Joseph Schenck, 1877-1961, divorced
2ndm: 1934-1939 to comedian George Gessel, divorced
3rdm: 1946-1957 death to her physician, Dr. Carvel James, 1902-1980
no children
Natalie "Nate" M. Talmadge-Keaton, b. 4-29-1900, Brooklyn, NY (1900 census list 1896), d. 1969
m:1921 to 1932 to Buster Keaton, divorced, she never remarried (1930 census he lists divorced and lives in apt), she lived Malibu and Santa Monica in property inherited from Norma
2 sons:
Joseph Keaton (James/Jimmy) b:1922 and
Robert Keaton (Bobby) b:1924
Constance "Dutch" Talmadge-Pialoglous?-MacIntosh-Netcher-Giblin , 4-19-1903, Brooklyn NY (1900 census lists 1898), d:11-20-1973 Los Angeles CA
1stm: 12-1920 to 5-1922, ,John J Pialogiou, NY, div., tobacco trader turned restaurant
2ndm: 1926 to 1927, Alistair MacIntosh, Scotland, div. due to his infidelity
3rdm: 1929 to 1939, Treadwell Netcher,Chicago Dairy Wholesale millionaire
4thm: 1939 to death, Walter Giblin, L.A.,
children?
1910 Brooklyn at 231 Fennimore, near Prospect Park, couple together with 3 dau. aged: 11,13,15, either he did not abandon his family 1900 or it happened Christmas, 1910, he works as an advertising agent, none of the girls are listed working. Margt now lists parents born NY vs Ireland. In the next decade Martha would become a "stage mother", getting the girls work (see Peg's memorial) until 1916 when the girls are making enough money to support her living with them as just their mother.
Evidently a known drunk, he left the family on Christmas Day in the early 1910's (family is together 1910 census) when he went out for hamburgers on xmas morning and never returned. 1920, when the girls are making enough money to live in the Savoy Hotel next to Central Park, Margaret identified him on a park bench, a drunken vagrant. Jones Bros ran a "clean operation" for children to come to the circus so he must have been fired for alcoholism. Constance insisted they rescue him and give him work on film crews in Los Angeles from son-in-law, Joseph Schenck. They moved him to L.A. when they moved about 1921.
1915 all three girls live at 254 Midwood, Brooklyn, the girls are working in films. Fred's father, John Talmadge dies, rumor has it that the girls went to his funeral and visited their grandmother and where their g-grandparent Culver had lived in "the old stone house". see Peg's memorial for how she attained work "in the industry". abt 1915 Fred was hired as advertiser for Johnny J. Jones Exposition Shows & Trained Wild Animal Exhibition which he travelled. Peg claimed he abandoned the family, maybe she refused him to return home due to his alcoholism and the girls making money to support her.
1920 Constance applied for a passport which had a photo of Fred, listing his address of 304 State St, Brooklyn, NY.
1921. He moved to California June with the family,
1925. died of nephritis at the brand new Chase Sanitarium which had to be paid for by Norma and/or Constance.
1926. His mother died in CT
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