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Alice <I>Bothe</I> Fitzherbert

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Alice Bothe Fitzherbert

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Norbury, Derbyshire Dales District, Derbyshire, England Add to Map
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Alice Bothe was the first wife of
Nicholas Fitzherbert, 11th Lord,
she had 8 sons by Nicholas.

Alabaster floor slab incised effigy of Alice,
first wife of Nicholas, 11th Lord, 1424.

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The following is information from
Robert Van Natta:

I have a variety of issues with The 'Fitzherbert' Group which is built around
Nicholas, Alice and son Ralph and Daughter joan.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/191931077

Besides the source you posted on Alice's page there is a Wikipedia page
for Ralph.===https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Fitzherbert

a) I take exception to the old spelling of Booth (sometimes shown as "boothe"
You use the modern English spelling of 'Alis' ie Alice. Why not Booth as others
do.?

It looks to me like from the limited information I have access to
that her name is Alice Booth, circa 1415-1453) daughter of Henry Booth (1385-1476)
and Isabella Findern (1390-1484) who married
Nicholas fitzHerbert, the 11th Lord of Norbury, who was b. 1410

This is confirmed by mostly by your own attachment that says
"Nicholas Fitzherbert of Norbury, Sheriff of Derbyshire (d. 19.11.1473) (which I would Translate into "19 Nov 1473") m1. Alice Booth (dau of Henry Booth of Harlaston)

This is what Familypedia says
. . . . . . . . . . 11 Nicholas Fitzherbert (-1473), 11th Lord of Norbury. Died 19 Nov. 1473. Knight of the Shire for Derby 1434, 1446 and 1452. Sheriff of Derby 1448 and 1466. m Alice Booth, dau of Henry Booth/Bothe of Derby
. . . . . . . . . . . 12 Ralph Fitzherbert (-1483), 12th Lord of Norbury. Died 2 Mar. 1483/84. m Elizabeth Marshall dau of John Marshall of Upton
https://familypedia.wikia.org/wiki/Fitzherbert_of_Norbury

Bottom line: I think you should either use the more common spelling
of Booth, or mention both.
I think there is adequate information from contemporary sources to at least
mention some additional dates on some of these 3 parties in a narrative.
I have not found reference anywhere claiming that the marriage date and
the death date of Nicholas are the same.

Joan seems to have only estimated dates of (Abt 1435 to abt 1525) but are worth\including for ID purposes with a disclaimer.

I'd like to see Nicholas id's either as the 11th Lord of Norbury or as Sheriff of Derbyshire.
and I believe Ralph is the 12th Lord of Norbury.

Sorry to ramble, but I thought this group was really short on adding
much useful information about these people

Robert Van Natta
Alice Bothe was the first wife of
Nicholas Fitzherbert, 11th Lord,
she had 8 sons by Nicholas.

Alabaster floor slab incised effigy of Alice,
first wife of Nicholas, 11th Lord, 1424.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The following is information from
Robert Van Natta:

I have a variety of issues with The 'Fitzherbert' Group which is built around
Nicholas, Alice and son Ralph and Daughter joan.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/191931077

Besides the source you posted on Alice's page there is a Wikipedia page
for Ralph.===https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Fitzherbert

a) I take exception to the old spelling of Booth (sometimes shown as "boothe"
You use the modern English spelling of 'Alis' ie Alice. Why not Booth as others
do.?

It looks to me like from the limited information I have access to
that her name is Alice Booth, circa 1415-1453) daughter of Henry Booth (1385-1476)
and Isabella Findern (1390-1484) who married
Nicholas fitzHerbert, the 11th Lord of Norbury, who was b. 1410

This is confirmed by mostly by your own attachment that says
"Nicholas Fitzherbert of Norbury, Sheriff of Derbyshire (d. 19.11.1473) (which I would Translate into "19 Nov 1473") m1. Alice Booth (dau of Henry Booth of Harlaston)

This is what Familypedia says
. . . . . . . . . . 11 Nicholas Fitzherbert (-1473), 11th Lord of Norbury. Died 19 Nov. 1473. Knight of the Shire for Derby 1434, 1446 and 1452. Sheriff of Derby 1448 and 1466. m Alice Booth, dau of Henry Booth/Bothe of Derby
. . . . . . . . . . . 12 Ralph Fitzherbert (-1483), 12th Lord of Norbury. Died 2 Mar. 1483/84. m Elizabeth Marshall dau of John Marshall of Upton
https://familypedia.wikia.org/wiki/Fitzherbert_of_Norbury

Bottom line: I think you should either use the more common spelling
of Booth, or mention both.
I think there is adequate information from contemporary sources to at least
mention some additional dates on some of these 3 parties in a narrative.
I have not found reference anywhere claiming that the marriage date and
the death date of Nicholas are the same.

Joan seems to have only estimated dates of (Abt 1435 to abt 1525) but are worth\including for ID purposes with a disclaimer.

I'd like to see Nicholas id's either as the 11th Lord of Norbury or as Sheriff of Derbyshire.
and I believe Ralph is the 12th Lord of Norbury.

Sorry to ramble, but I thought this group was really short on adding
much useful information about these people

Robert Van Natta


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  • Created by: Rita
  • Added: Aug 3, 2018
  • Find a Grave Memorial ID:
  • Find a Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/191931077/alice-fitzherbert: accessed ), memorial page for Alice Bothe Fitzherbert (unknown–unknown), Find a Grave Memorial ID 191931077, citing St. Mary and St. Barlock Churchyard, Norbury, Derbyshire Dales District, Derbyshire, England; Maintained by Rita (contributor 49423073).