Mary and her husband, Elijah Barton have been reported to be first cousins. Elijah's father was George Barton Sr; George Barton Sr.'s father was supposedly Noah Barton (Elijah and Mary Barton's grandfather?), born 1668 in West Chester, West Chester Co., NY. However, it is unlikely Noah Barton was George Barton Sr.'s father (see below). George Sr. seems to be the son of an unknown Barton.
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From Barton Family Information - Compiled by C. Kirkstadt, Jan 1997
(ed.) - Elisha did marry Jemima VanKirk and their daughter, Mary did marry Elijah Barton. Mary and Elijah were first cousins (sub. note: This is based on the theory Noah Barton was Elisha and George Bartons' father, which is highly unlikely. see below). Elisha was a Captain in Morris County, eastern battalion, Revolutionary War. Will dated Sep 21, 1821, proved Apr 26, 1824.
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Father: Elisha BARTON b: 5 OCT 1729 in Amwell, Hunterdon County, New Jersey
Mother: Jemima VAN KIRK b: 20 FEB 1735/36 in Hopewell, Hunterdon County, New Jersey
Marriage 1 Elijah BARTON b: 1757 in Amwell, Hunterdon County, New Jersey
* Married: 1 APR 1777 in Amwell, Hunterdon County, New Jersey
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Children
1. Elisha BARTON b: 20 AUG 1778 in Amwell Twp. Hunterdon Co. NJ, died Crystal Spring, Fulton County, Pennsylvania
2. George BARTON b: 13 MAR 1780 in Amwell Twp. Hunterdon Co. NJ, Died 1825
3. Rebecca BARTON b: 12 MAY 1783 in Amwell Twp. Hunterdon Co. NJ
4. Henry A. BARTON b: 1784
5. Rachel BARTON b: 29 DEC 1789
6. Mary BARTON b: 24 DEC 1802
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Sources:
Birthdate - Jared & Charlotte Hanks family bible says 21 DEC 1756, but other sources show 28 DEC 1758. Date of Marriage - Jared & Charlotte Hanks family bible. Mardell Barton's handwritten family tree chart shows place of death as Crystal Spring, Fulton County, Pennsylvania, but other sources show place of death as E. Prov. Twp., Bedford County, Pennsylvania. Mardell Barton's family tree chart shows the birth date as 1758.
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JCB posted on the Ancestry.Com Barton Bulletin Board on Dec. 14, 2004 in response to my posting information on Elisha, Mary and Rachel Barton (ed.):
For the most part, the information in Rick Busig's three posts is reasonably well documented.
However, the big question is the parentage of Elisha Barton (1729-1823).
In 1941, Adolph Law Voge estimated that Elisha Barton (1729-1823) was the son of Noah2 Barton (Roger1). This is the version provided by Rick.
In 1952, George E. McCracken estimated that Elisha Barton (1729-1823) was the son of an unknown son of Elisha2 Barton (Roger1). McCracken provided some of his reasoning, but it is scattered in his article, and hardly suited to a message board. This is the version published in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register.
I will point out that both Voge and McCracken constructed the early Barton families partly on the assumption that all families in the area of interest were descendants of Roger1 Barton. Thus they reasoned, often tacitly, that any Barton family with the appropriate given names, and not otherwise accounted for by direct evidence, could be placed in (or out of) the Roger Barton family by whatever circumstantial evidence was available. However, since there is evidence of possibly two brothers of Roger in that area at that time, namely John and the father of William (although John could be the father of William), one cannot automatically assign all the unknowns as descendants of Roger1 Barton. DNA evidence is not helpful because any brother of Roger1 would have the same DNA as Roger.
McCracken (1952, page 291) dismissed a family of Bartons in Burlington County, NJ, thusly, "There was, however, a family of Bartons in that area who, unlike the Bartons of Westchester, were Friends, and that Elisha may have been a different man." This argument was based on McCracken's incorrect notion that Roger Barton was not a Puritan. As it turns out, McCracken was not an astute student of Roger, because the evidence is that Roger was very much the Puritan, and that family of Friends might well have been closely related to Roger1.
Thus we are left with THREE possible ancestries of Elisha Barton (1729-1823).
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JCB posted on the Ancestry.Com Barton Bulletin Board on Dec. 15, 2004 in response to my posting information on Elijha Barton:
Rick:
First, the easy one. It is generally agreed that Noah2 Barton (Roger1) was born about 1668. The documentary evidence, not someone's personal file, is that Roger Barton was in Rye from 1667 until 1678 when he moved to Fordham Manor. In 1668, when Noah2 Barton was born, Rye was part of Connecticut. Therefore, it is correct to say that Noah2 Barton was born about 1668 in Rye, Connecticut (later a part of New York).
Now the problem.
First Point: There seems to have been three brothers:
George, who you state was born in 1719.
Elisha, born 1729.
Gabriel, born 1733.
Since we agree that Noah2 Barton was born about 1668, then we look at Noah's age when the three brothers were born.
George was born when Noah was 51.
Elisha was born when Noah was 61.
Gabriel was born when Noah was 65.
This means that Noah's wife had to be at least 20 years younger than Noah. Thus when Noah was 50 years old, his wife was under 30. That is quite an age gap.
Next point. Noah2 Barton had quite a series of land transactions. The first one that mentioned his wife, Mary, was in 1730, eleven years after George was born, and after Elisha was born.
Next point. Much of what we know about the family of Elisha (b. 1729) came from the genealogist Hiram Deats, great grandson of Ursilla, who was the daughter of Elisha. Deats said that he copied the data from Ursilla's family Bible. Since the data did not include the parents of Elisha, that issue was left in the dark. That means the issue of George's parents was also left in the dark.
Next point. As I pointed out before, the noted genealogist, George E. McCracken, also a descendant of Roger1 Barton, concluded that Elisha, George and Gabriel were not the sons of Noah2 Barton.
Next point. You state that Elisha was born Oct 5, 1729, in Amwell, Hunterdon Co., NJ. That matches the records of Elisha's great grandson, Hiram Deats, as copied from the family Bible of Elisha's daughter, Ursilla. On Oct 23, 1729, Noah2 Barton was a protester at an Eastchester, Westchester Co., NY, town meeting. On Aug 4, 1730, a Noah Barton bought land in Trenton, and he was described in the deed as being of Somerset.
What is the evidence that supports your contention that George, who you say was born about 1719, Elisha, born 1729, and Gabriel, born 1733, were the sons of Noah2 Barton?
Regards, JCB
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From Barton Family Information - Compiled by C. Kirkstadt, Jan 1997
(ed.) - Elisha did marry Jemima VanKirk and their daughter, Mary did marry Elijah Barton. Mary and Elijah were first cousins (sub. note: This is based on the theory Noah Barton was Elisha and George Bartons' father, which is highly unlikely. see below). Elisha was a Captain in Morris County, eastern battalion, Revolutionary War. Will dated Sep 21, 1821, proved Apr 26, 1824.
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Father: Elisha BARTON b: 5 OCT 1729 in Amwell, Hunterdon County, New Jersey
Mother: Jemima VAN KIRK b: 20 FEB 1735/36 in Hopewell, Hunterdon County, New Jersey
Marriage 1 Elijah BARTON b: 1757 in Amwell, Hunterdon County, New Jersey
* Married: 1 APR 1777 in Amwell, Hunterdon County, New Jersey
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Children
1. Elisha BARTON b: 20 AUG 1778 in Amwell Twp. Hunterdon Co. NJ, died Crystal Spring, Fulton County, Pennsylvania
2. George BARTON b: 13 MAR 1780 in Amwell Twp. Hunterdon Co. NJ, Died 1825
3. Rebecca BARTON b: 12 MAY 1783 in Amwell Twp. Hunterdon Co. NJ
4. Henry A. BARTON b: 1784
5. Rachel BARTON b: 29 DEC 1789
6. Mary BARTON b: 24 DEC 1802
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Sources:
Birthdate - Jared & Charlotte Hanks family bible says 21 DEC 1756, but other sources show 28 DEC 1758. Date of Marriage - Jared & Charlotte Hanks family bible. Mardell Barton's handwritten family tree chart shows place of death as Crystal Spring, Fulton County, Pennsylvania, but other sources show place of death as E. Prov. Twp., Bedford County, Pennsylvania. Mardell Barton's family tree chart shows the birth date as 1758.
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JCB posted on the Ancestry.Com Barton Bulletin Board on Dec. 14, 2004 in response to my posting information on Elisha, Mary and Rachel Barton (ed.):
For the most part, the information in Rick Busig's three posts is reasonably well documented.
However, the big question is the parentage of Elisha Barton (1729-1823).
In 1941, Adolph Law Voge estimated that Elisha Barton (1729-1823) was the son of Noah2 Barton (Roger1). This is the version provided by Rick.
In 1952, George E. McCracken estimated that Elisha Barton (1729-1823) was the son of an unknown son of Elisha2 Barton (Roger1). McCracken provided some of his reasoning, but it is scattered in his article, and hardly suited to a message board. This is the version published in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register.
I will point out that both Voge and McCracken constructed the early Barton families partly on the assumption that all families in the area of interest were descendants of Roger1 Barton. Thus they reasoned, often tacitly, that any Barton family with the appropriate given names, and not otherwise accounted for by direct evidence, could be placed in (or out of) the Roger Barton family by whatever circumstantial evidence was available. However, since there is evidence of possibly two brothers of Roger in that area at that time, namely John and the father of William (although John could be the father of William), one cannot automatically assign all the unknowns as descendants of Roger1 Barton. DNA evidence is not helpful because any brother of Roger1 would have the same DNA as Roger.
McCracken (1952, page 291) dismissed a family of Bartons in Burlington County, NJ, thusly, "There was, however, a family of Bartons in that area who, unlike the Bartons of Westchester, were Friends, and that Elisha may have been a different man." This argument was based on McCracken's incorrect notion that Roger Barton was not a Puritan. As it turns out, McCracken was not an astute student of Roger, because the evidence is that Roger was very much the Puritan, and that family of Friends might well have been closely related to Roger1.
Thus we are left with THREE possible ancestries of Elisha Barton (1729-1823).
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JCB posted on the Ancestry.Com Barton Bulletin Board on Dec. 15, 2004 in response to my posting information on Elijha Barton:
Rick:
First, the easy one. It is generally agreed that Noah2 Barton (Roger1) was born about 1668. The documentary evidence, not someone's personal file, is that Roger Barton was in Rye from 1667 until 1678 when he moved to Fordham Manor. In 1668, when Noah2 Barton was born, Rye was part of Connecticut. Therefore, it is correct to say that Noah2 Barton was born about 1668 in Rye, Connecticut (later a part of New York).
Now the problem.
First Point: There seems to have been three brothers:
George, who you state was born in 1719.
Elisha, born 1729.
Gabriel, born 1733.
Since we agree that Noah2 Barton was born about 1668, then we look at Noah's age when the three brothers were born.
George was born when Noah was 51.
Elisha was born when Noah was 61.
Gabriel was born when Noah was 65.
This means that Noah's wife had to be at least 20 years younger than Noah. Thus when Noah was 50 years old, his wife was under 30. That is quite an age gap.
Next point. Noah2 Barton had quite a series of land transactions. The first one that mentioned his wife, Mary, was in 1730, eleven years after George was born, and after Elisha was born.
Next point. Much of what we know about the family of Elisha (b. 1729) came from the genealogist Hiram Deats, great grandson of Ursilla, who was the daughter of Elisha. Deats said that he copied the data from Ursilla's family Bible. Since the data did not include the parents of Elisha, that issue was left in the dark. That means the issue of George's parents was also left in the dark.
Next point. As I pointed out before, the noted genealogist, George E. McCracken, also a descendant of Roger1 Barton, concluded that Elisha, George and Gabriel were not the sons of Noah2 Barton.
Next point. You state that Elisha was born Oct 5, 1729, in Amwell, Hunterdon Co., NJ. That matches the records of Elisha's great grandson, Hiram Deats, as copied from the family Bible of Elisha's daughter, Ursilla. On Oct 23, 1729, Noah2 Barton was a protester at an Eastchester, Westchester Co., NY, town meeting. On Aug 4, 1730, a Noah Barton bought land in Trenton, and he was described in the deed as being of Somerset.
What is the evidence that supports your contention that George, who you say was born about 1719, Elisha, born 1729, and Gabriel, born 1733, were the sons of Noah2 Barton?
Regards, JCB
Mary and her husband, Elijah Barton have been reported to be first cousins. Elijah's father was George Barton Sr; George Barton Sr.'s father was supposedly Noah Barton (Elijah and Mary Barton's grandfather?), born 1668 in West Chester, West Chester Co., NY. However, it is unlikely Noah Barton was George Barton Sr.'s father (see below). George Sr. seems to be the son of an unknown Barton.
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From Barton Family Information - Compiled by C. Kirkstadt, Jan 1997
(ed.) - Elisha did marry Jemima VanKirk and their daughter, Mary did marry Elijah Barton. Mary and Elijah were first cousins (sub. note: This is based on the theory Noah Barton was Elisha and George Bartons' father, which is highly unlikely. see below). Elisha was a Captain in Morris County, eastern battalion, Revolutionary War. Will dated Sep 21, 1821, proved Apr 26, 1824.
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Father: Elisha BARTON b: 5 OCT 1729 in Amwell, Hunterdon County, New Jersey
Mother: Jemima VAN KIRK b: 20 FEB 1735/36 in Hopewell, Hunterdon County, New Jersey
Marriage 1 Elijah BARTON b: 1757 in Amwell, Hunterdon County, New Jersey
* Married: 1 APR 1777 in Amwell, Hunterdon County, New Jersey
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Children
1. Elisha BARTON b: 20 AUG 1778 in Amwell Twp. Hunterdon Co. NJ, died Crystal Spring, Fulton County, Pennsylvania
2. George BARTON b: 13 MAR 1780 in Amwell Twp. Hunterdon Co. NJ, Died 1825
3. Rebecca BARTON b: 12 MAY 1783 in Amwell Twp. Hunterdon Co. NJ
4. Henry A. BARTON b: 1784
5. Rachel BARTON b: 29 DEC 1789
6. Mary BARTON b: 24 DEC 1802
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Sources:
Birthdate - Jared & Charlotte Hanks family bible says 21 DEC 1756, but other sources show 28 DEC 1758. Date of Marriage - Jared & Charlotte Hanks family bible. Mardell Barton's handwritten family tree chart shows place of death as Crystal Spring, Fulton County, Pennsylvania, but other sources show place of death as E. Prov. Twp., Bedford County, Pennsylvania. Mardell Barton's family tree chart shows the birth date as 1758.
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JCB posted on the Ancestry.Com Barton Bulletin Board on Dec. 14, 2004 in response to my posting information on Elisha, Mary and Rachel Barton (ed.):
For the most part, the information in Rick Busig's three posts is reasonably well documented.
However, the big question is the parentage of Elisha Barton (1729-1823).
In 1941, Adolph Law Voge estimated that Elisha Barton (1729-1823) was the son of Noah2 Barton (Roger1). This is the version provided by Rick.
In 1952, George E. McCracken estimated that Elisha Barton (1729-1823) was the son of an unknown son of Elisha2 Barton (Roger1). McCracken provided some of his reasoning, but it is scattered in his article, and hardly suited to a message board. This is the version published in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register.
I will point out that both Voge and McCracken constructed the early Barton families partly on the assumption that all families in the area of interest were descendants of Roger1 Barton. Thus they reasoned, often tacitly, that any Barton family with the appropriate given names, and not otherwise accounted for by direct evidence, could be placed in (or out of) the Roger Barton family by whatever circumstantial evidence was available. However, since there is evidence of possibly two brothers of Roger in that area at that time, namely John and the father of William (although John could be the father of William), one cannot automatically assign all the unknowns as descendants of Roger1 Barton. DNA evidence is not helpful because any brother of Roger1 would have the same DNA as Roger.
McCracken (1952, page 291) dismissed a family of Bartons in Burlington County, NJ, thusly, "There was, however, a family of Bartons in that area who, unlike the Bartons of Westchester, were Friends, and that Elisha may have been a different man." This argument was based on McCracken's incorrect notion that Roger Barton was not a Puritan. As it turns out, McCracken was not an astute student of Roger, because the evidence is that Roger was very much the Puritan, and that family of Friends might well have been closely related to Roger1.
Thus we are left with THREE possible ancestries of Elisha Barton (1729-1823).
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JCB posted on the Ancestry.Com Barton Bulletin Board on Dec. 15, 2004 in response to my posting information on Elijha Barton:
Rick:
First, the easy one. It is generally agreed that Noah2 Barton (Roger1) was born about 1668. The documentary evidence, not someone's personal file, is that Roger Barton was in Rye from 1667 until 1678 when he moved to Fordham Manor. In 1668, when Noah2 Barton was born, Rye was part of Connecticut. Therefore, it is correct to say that Noah2 Barton was born about 1668 in Rye, Connecticut (later a part of New York).
Now the problem.
First Point: There seems to have been three brothers:
George, who you state was born in 1719.
Elisha, born 1729.
Gabriel, born 1733.
Since we agree that Noah2 Barton was born about 1668, then we look at Noah's age when the three brothers were born.
George was born when Noah was 51.
Elisha was born when Noah was 61.
Gabriel was born when Noah was 65.
This means that Noah's wife had to be at least 20 years younger than Noah. Thus when Noah was 50 years old, his wife was under 30. That is quite an age gap.
Next point. Noah2 Barton had quite a series of land transactions. The first one that mentioned his wife, Mary, was in 1730, eleven years after George was born, and after Elisha was born.
Next point. Much of what we know about the family of Elisha (b. 1729) came from the genealogist Hiram Deats, great grandson of Ursilla, who was the daughter of Elisha. Deats said that he copied the data from Ursilla's family Bible. Since the data did not include the parents of Elisha, that issue was left in the dark. That means the issue of George's parents was also left in the dark.
Next point. As I pointed out before, the noted genealogist, George E. McCracken, also a descendant of Roger1 Barton, concluded that Elisha, George and Gabriel were not the sons of Noah2 Barton.
Next point. You state that Elisha was born Oct 5, 1729, in Amwell, Hunterdon Co., NJ. That matches the records of Elisha's great grandson, Hiram Deats, as copied from the family Bible of Elisha's daughter, Ursilla. On Oct 23, 1729, Noah2 Barton was a protester at an Eastchester, Westchester Co., NY, town meeting. On Aug 4, 1730, a Noah Barton bought land in Trenton, and he was described in the deed as being of Somerset.
What is the evidence that supports your contention that George, who you say was born about 1719, Elisha, born 1729, and Gabriel, born 1733, were the sons of Noah2 Barton?
Regards, JCB
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From Barton Family Information - Compiled by C. Kirkstadt, Jan 1997
(ed.) - Elisha did marry Jemima VanKirk and their daughter, Mary did marry Elijah Barton. Mary and Elijah were first cousins (sub. note: This is based on the theory Noah Barton was Elisha and George Bartons' father, which is highly unlikely. see below). Elisha was a Captain in Morris County, eastern battalion, Revolutionary War. Will dated Sep 21, 1821, proved Apr 26, 1824.
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Father: Elisha BARTON b: 5 OCT 1729 in Amwell, Hunterdon County, New Jersey
Mother: Jemima VAN KIRK b: 20 FEB 1735/36 in Hopewell, Hunterdon County, New Jersey
Marriage 1 Elijah BARTON b: 1757 in Amwell, Hunterdon County, New Jersey
* Married: 1 APR 1777 in Amwell, Hunterdon County, New Jersey
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Children
1. Elisha BARTON b: 20 AUG 1778 in Amwell Twp. Hunterdon Co. NJ, died Crystal Spring, Fulton County, Pennsylvania
2. George BARTON b: 13 MAR 1780 in Amwell Twp. Hunterdon Co. NJ, Died 1825
3. Rebecca BARTON b: 12 MAY 1783 in Amwell Twp. Hunterdon Co. NJ
4. Henry A. BARTON b: 1784
5. Rachel BARTON b: 29 DEC 1789
6. Mary BARTON b: 24 DEC 1802
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Sources:
Birthdate - Jared & Charlotte Hanks family bible says 21 DEC 1756, but other sources show 28 DEC 1758. Date of Marriage - Jared & Charlotte Hanks family bible. Mardell Barton's handwritten family tree chart shows place of death as Crystal Spring, Fulton County, Pennsylvania, but other sources show place of death as E. Prov. Twp., Bedford County, Pennsylvania. Mardell Barton's family tree chart shows the birth date as 1758.
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JCB posted on the Ancestry.Com Barton Bulletin Board on Dec. 14, 2004 in response to my posting information on Elisha, Mary and Rachel Barton (ed.):
For the most part, the information in Rick Busig's three posts is reasonably well documented.
However, the big question is the parentage of Elisha Barton (1729-1823).
In 1941, Adolph Law Voge estimated that Elisha Barton (1729-1823) was the son of Noah2 Barton (Roger1). This is the version provided by Rick.
In 1952, George E. McCracken estimated that Elisha Barton (1729-1823) was the son of an unknown son of Elisha2 Barton (Roger1). McCracken provided some of his reasoning, but it is scattered in his article, and hardly suited to a message board. This is the version published in The New England Historical and Genealogical Register.
I will point out that both Voge and McCracken constructed the early Barton families partly on the assumption that all families in the area of interest were descendants of Roger1 Barton. Thus they reasoned, often tacitly, that any Barton family with the appropriate given names, and not otherwise accounted for by direct evidence, could be placed in (or out of) the Roger Barton family by whatever circumstantial evidence was available. However, since there is evidence of possibly two brothers of Roger in that area at that time, namely John and the father of William (although John could be the father of William), one cannot automatically assign all the unknowns as descendants of Roger1 Barton. DNA evidence is not helpful because any brother of Roger1 would have the same DNA as Roger.
McCracken (1952, page 291) dismissed a family of Bartons in Burlington County, NJ, thusly, "There was, however, a family of Bartons in that area who, unlike the Bartons of Westchester, were Friends, and that Elisha may have been a different man." This argument was based on McCracken's incorrect notion that Roger Barton was not a Puritan. As it turns out, McCracken was not an astute student of Roger, because the evidence is that Roger was very much the Puritan, and that family of Friends might well have been closely related to Roger1.
Thus we are left with THREE possible ancestries of Elisha Barton (1729-1823).
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JCB posted on the Ancestry.Com Barton Bulletin Board on Dec. 15, 2004 in response to my posting information on Elijha Barton:
Rick:
First, the easy one. It is generally agreed that Noah2 Barton (Roger1) was born about 1668. The documentary evidence, not someone's personal file, is that Roger Barton was in Rye from 1667 until 1678 when he moved to Fordham Manor. In 1668, when Noah2 Barton was born, Rye was part of Connecticut. Therefore, it is correct to say that Noah2 Barton was born about 1668 in Rye, Connecticut (later a part of New York).
Now the problem.
First Point: There seems to have been three brothers:
George, who you state was born in 1719.
Elisha, born 1729.
Gabriel, born 1733.
Since we agree that Noah2 Barton was born about 1668, then we look at Noah's age when the three brothers were born.
George was born when Noah was 51.
Elisha was born when Noah was 61.
Gabriel was born when Noah was 65.
This means that Noah's wife had to be at least 20 years younger than Noah. Thus when Noah was 50 years old, his wife was under 30. That is quite an age gap.
Next point. Noah2 Barton had quite a series of land transactions. The first one that mentioned his wife, Mary, was in 1730, eleven years after George was born, and after Elisha was born.
Next point. Much of what we know about the family of Elisha (b. 1729) came from the genealogist Hiram Deats, great grandson of Ursilla, who was the daughter of Elisha. Deats said that he copied the data from Ursilla's family Bible. Since the data did not include the parents of Elisha, that issue was left in the dark. That means the issue of George's parents was also left in the dark.
Next point. As I pointed out before, the noted genealogist, George E. McCracken, also a descendant of Roger1 Barton, concluded that Elisha, George and Gabriel were not the sons of Noah2 Barton.
Next point. You state that Elisha was born Oct 5, 1729, in Amwell, Hunterdon Co., NJ. That matches the records of Elisha's great grandson, Hiram Deats, as copied from the family Bible of Elisha's daughter, Ursilla. On Oct 23, 1729, Noah2 Barton was a protester at an Eastchester, Westchester Co., NY, town meeting. On Aug 4, 1730, a Noah Barton bought land in Trenton, and he was described in the deed as being of Somerset.
What is the evidence that supports your contention that George, who you say was born about 1719, Elisha, born 1729, and Gabriel, born 1733, were the sons of Noah2 Barton?
Regards, JCB
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