John Saint John

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John Saint John

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Death
1489
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John St John was born about 1429, or sometime before 1437 when his father Oliver St John died. The year of John's birth is unknown, and in which month and on what day he was born also is unknown.

This biography is taken from information shared by credible historians and genealogists. Other information is available to readers, but not all information found online is from reliable or credible sources. Some information in books is no longer considered to be accurate. Other information is accepted by modern scholars. This biography is not original research. It is based on information published by others who have studied this family.

Parents
John St John's mother was Margaret Beauchamp. She was the daughter of Sir John Beauchamp and his wife Edith Stourton. Margaret was heir to her brother John Beauchamp and as such, she inherited considerable property including manors, estates, and open land.

John St John's father Sir Oliver St John was Margaret Beauchamp's first husband. Oliver St John was a son of Sir John St John and his wife Isabel.

Title
This John St John, son of Margaret Beauchamp and Oliver St John, is by some historians called "Sir" and "K.B." (knight). One well-known genealogist now believes his designation was actually "esquire". By his own parents and St John family, John St John was positioned to hold a title. Whether or not he did is the question. Regardless of these disputed details, John St John was the son of Margaret Beauchamp. John's mother Margaret, as grandmother of the king, became the most powerful woman in England. John St John's half-sister Margaret Beaufort was mother of Henry VII, and grandmother to King Henry VIII.

John's brothers and sisters -
Children of Oliver St John and Margaret Beauchamp

According to Wikipedia, Oliver St John and Margaret Beauchamp had the following children. Details are from Wikipedia. Birth order is uncertain.
• Sir John St John, subject of this memorial
• Oliver St John, Esq. of Lydiard Tregoze. He married Elizabeth Scrope. She was the widow of Sir John Bigod of Settrington, Yorkshire, and also widow of Henry Rochford, Esq. of Stoke Rochford, Lincolnshire. Her parents were Henry Scrope, 4th Baron Scrope of Bolton and Elizabeth le Scrope (daughter of John Scrope, 4th Baron Scrope of Masham).
• Edith St John married Geoffrey Pole, Esq.
• Mary St John married Sir Richard Frogenall.
• Elizabeth St John married William la Zouche, 5th Baron Zouche of Harringworth. She was his second wife. Elizabeth next married John Scrope, 5th Baron Scrope of Bolton. Elizabeth St John was his second wife.
• Agnes St John married David Malpas.
• Margaret St John became Abbess of Shaftesbury.

Margaret Beauchamp's other children
After Sir Oliver St John died, Margaret Beauchamp married two further times. Her children from the second and third marriages enjoyed close relationships with the St John family of her first marriage. The children of Margaret Beauchamp and Oliver St John were given a place in court life. Margaret Beauchamp's St John descendants remained allies to their royal cousins until the period leading to the English Civil War, when one branch of this family became supporters of Oliver Cromwell.

First marriage
John St John married Lady Alice Bradshagh (Bradshaigh, Bradshaw). She was the daughter of Sir Thomas Bradshagh. Her mother's name is unknown. The surname is spelled variously, including Bradschagh, Bradshagh and Bradshaigh. The modern spelling is Bradshaw.

Descendants of John and Alice
Direct descendants of John St John and his wife Alice include Lady Diana Spencer, former wife of Prince Charles the crown prince of England. Prince William and Prince Harry are her sons. Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother was also a direct descendant. Her daughter is Queen Elizabeth II, the current queen of England.

King Henry VIII was Margaret Beauchamp's great-grandson by her second marriage. He was not a descendant of Oliver St John. Henry's grandmother was the daughter and only child of Margaret's second marriage. Thus John St John was half-brother to King Henry VIII's grandmother, who also was named Margaret.

An additional branch of St John family descended from this John St John and Alice included Chief Justice of England and Cromwell supporter Oliver St John. He did not support regicide, but did not support the king.

Elizabeth St John, a sister of Chief Justice Oliver St John, married the Reverend Samuel Whiting. Elizabeth and Samuel, together with his daughter Dorothy, left England and settled in Massachusetts. Reverend Samuel Whiting was a non-conforming Puritan whose beliefs did not align with those of the official church in England and its authorities. This was why Elizabeth and her new family chose to leave England.

Son of Margaret Beauchamp
In the border round Margaret Beauchamp's portrait, are the following arms: 1. Tregoze impaling Ewyas. 2. Grandison impaling them both, quartered. 3. Patishall impaling the three last, quartered. 4. St. John impaling the last four, quartered. 5. Arg. a chevron Az. over all a lion ramp. Gu. crowned Or, impaling St. John. 6. Az. fretty Arg. impaling St. John. 7. Az. a chevron engrailed between three owls Or, impaling St. John. 8. Arg. a cross patonce Az. between four mullets Gu. impaling St. John. 9. Az. two cinquefoils in chief, and a fleur-de-lis in base, Arg. impaling St. John. 10. Arg. a chief Az. over all a lion ramp. Gu. on a Canton Or, a shield of the second, charged with 3 mullets of the fourth; impaling Arg. on three bars Sab. fix trefoils of the field 3, 2, and 1. 11. Arg. a cross patonce Az. between four mullets Gu. impaling Barry of fix Arg. and Gu. 12. Az. fretty Arg. impalling quarterly indented Az. and Arg. 13. Az. a chevron engrailed Or, between three owls proper, impaling Az. a chevron Erm. between three fleurs-de-lis Arg. within a border engrailed Or. In the border which surrounds the portrait of queen Elizabeth, are these arms. 1. Az. three battle-axes Arg. 2. Carew impaling Az. three battle-axes Arg. 3. Iwarby impaling the two last, quartered. 4. St. John impaling the three last, quartered. 5. St. John impaling barry nebuly Or, and Sab. for Blount. 6. St. John impaling quarterly indented Or, and Gu. for Leighton. 7. Arg. a lion ramp. Sab. on his shoulder a martlet Or, impaling St. John. 8. Arg. a bend Gu. gutty of the first, between two birds of the second, a chief checky Or, and Sab. for Pleydell, impaling St. John. 9. Arg. on a cross Gu. five escallops Or, for Villiers, impaling St. John. 10. St. John impaling Hungerford, quartered with per pale indented Gu. and Vert, over all a chevron Or. 11. Arg. on a chevron engrailed Sab. three bucks' heads cabossed of the field, between three etoiles of fix points Gu. impaling St. John. 12. St. John impaling St. John. 13. Barry of fix Arg. and Gu. a canton Erm. for Apsley, impaling St. John.
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/london-environs/vol1/pp26-48#fnn18

Nice write-up about St. John family history and Lydiard Park, written by a direct descendant of Margaret Beauchamp and Sir Oliver St John.
"Memories of Lydiard Park going back over 50 years"
By Ben Fitzgerald - 31 October 2016
https://swindonlink.com/memories-of-lydiard-park-going-back-over-50-years/

St.John / St. John / St John vs. Saint John
The surname "St John" is most often spelled in the shortened form, either with or without punctuation.

Sometimes the abbreviated spelling is made into one word with the punctuation:
"St.John" - Lydiard Park uses this variation.

Pronunciation varies. "Sin-jun" is the most English way of pronouncing the surname.

The Visitation of the County of Huntingdon
Under the Authority of William Camden, Clareneaux King of Arms, by His Deputy, Nicholas Charles, Lancaster Herald, A. D. MDCXIII.
John St John was born about 1429, or sometime before 1437 when his father Oliver St John died. The year of John's birth is unknown, and in which month and on what day he was born also is unknown.

This biography is taken from information shared by credible historians and genealogists. Other information is available to readers, but not all information found online is from reliable or credible sources. Some information in books is no longer considered to be accurate. Other information is accepted by modern scholars. This biography is not original research. It is based on information published by others who have studied this family.

Parents
John St John's mother was Margaret Beauchamp. She was the daughter of Sir John Beauchamp and his wife Edith Stourton. Margaret was heir to her brother John Beauchamp and as such, she inherited considerable property including manors, estates, and open land.

John St John's father Sir Oliver St John was Margaret Beauchamp's first husband. Oliver St John was a son of Sir John St John and his wife Isabel.

Title
This John St John, son of Margaret Beauchamp and Oliver St John, is by some historians called "Sir" and "K.B." (knight). One well-known genealogist now believes his designation was actually "esquire". By his own parents and St John family, John St John was positioned to hold a title. Whether or not he did is the question. Regardless of these disputed details, John St John was the son of Margaret Beauchamp. John's mother Margaret, as grandmother of the king, became the most powerful woman in England. John St John's half-sister Margaret Beaufort was mother of Henry VII, and grandmother to King Henry VIII.

John's brothers and sisters -
Children of Oliver St John and Margaret Beauchamp

According to Wikipedia, Oliver St John and Margaret Beauchamp had the following children. Details are from Wikipedia. Birth order is uncertain.
• Sir John St John, subject of this memorial
• Oliver St John, Esq. of Lydiard Tregoze. He married Elizabeth Scrope. She was the widow of Sir John Bigod of Settrington, Yorkshire, and also widow of Henry Rochford, Esq. of Stoke Rochford, Lincolnshire. Her parents were Henry Scrope, 4th Baron Scrope of Bolton and Elizabeth le Scrope (daughter of John Scrope, 4th Baron Scrope of Masham).
• Edith St John married Geoffrey Pole, Esq.
• Mary St John married Sir Richard Frogenall.
• Elizabeth St John married William la Zouche, 5th Baron Zouche of Harringworth. She was his second wife. Elizabeth next married John Scrope, 5th Baron Scrope of Bolton. Elizabeth St John was his second wife.
• Agnes St John married David Malpas.
• Margaret St John became Abbess of Shaftesbury.

Margaret Beauchamp's other children
After Sir Oliver St John died, Margaret Beauchamp married two further times. Her children from the second and third marriages enjoyed close relationships with the St John family of her first marriage. The children of Margaret Beauchamp and Oliver St John were given a place in court life. Margaret Beauchamp's St John descendants remained allies to their royal cousins until the period leading to the English Civil War, when one branch of this family became supporters of Oliver Cromwell.

First marriage
John St John married Lady Alice Bradshagh (Bradshaigh, Bradshaw). She was the daughter of Sir Thomas Bradshagh. Her mother's name is unknown. The surname is spelled variously, including Bradschagh, Bradshagh and Bradshaigh. The modern spelling is Bradshaw.

Descendants of John and Alice
Direct descendants of John St John and his wife Alice include Lady Diana Spencer, former wife of Prince Charles the crown prince of England. Prince William and Prince Harry are her sons. Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother was also a direct descendant. Her daughter is Queen Elizabeth II, the current queen of England.

King Henry VIII was Margaret Beauchamp's great-grandson by her second marriage. He was not a descendant of Oliver St John. Henry's grandmother was the daughter and only child of Margaret's second marriage. Thus John St John was half-brother to King Henry VIII's grandmother, who also was named Margaret.

An additional branch of St John family descended from this John St John and Alice included Chief Justice of England and Cromwell supporter Oliver St John. He did not support regicide, but did not support the king.

Elizabeth St John, a sister of Chief Justice Oliver St John, married the Reverend Samuel Whiting. Elizabeth and Samuel, together with his daughter Dorothy, left England and settled in Massachusetts. Reverend Samuel Whiting was a non-conforming Puritan whose beliefs did not align with those of the official church in England and its authorities. This was why Elizabeth and her new family chose to leave England.

Son of Margaret Beauchamp
In the border round Margaret Beauchamp's portrait, are the following arms: 1. Tregoze impaling Ewyas. 2. Grandison impaling them both, quartered. 3. Patishall impaling the three last, quartered. 4. St. John impaling the last four, quartered. 5. Arg. a chevron Az. over all a lion ramp. Gu. crowned Or, impaling St. John. 6. Az. fretty Arg. impaling St. John. 7. Az. a chevron engrailed between three owls Or, impaling St. John. 8. Arg. a cross patonce Az. between four mullets Gu. impaling St. John. 9. Az. two cinquefoils in chief, and a fleur-de-lis in base, Arg. impaling St. John. 10. Arg. a chief Az. over all a lion ramp. Gu. on a Canton Or, a shield of the second, charged with 3 mullets of the fourth; impaling Arg. on three bars Sab. fix trefoils of the field 3, 2, and 1. 11. Arg. a cross patonce Az. between four mullets Gu. impaling Barry of fix Arg. and Gu. 12. Az. fretty Arg. impalling quarterly indented Az. and Arg. 13. Az. a chevron engrailed Or, between three owls proper, impaling Az. a chevron Erm. between three fleurs-de-lis Arg. within a border engrailed Or. In the border which surrounds the portrait of queen Elizabeth, are these arms. 1. Az. three battle-axes Arg. 2. Carew impaling Az. three battle-axes Arg. 3. Iwarby impaling the two last, quartered. 4. St. John impaling the three last, quartered. 5. St. John impaling barry nebuly Or, and Sab. for Blount. 6. St. John impaling quarterly indented Or, and Gu. for Leighton. 7. Arg. a lion ramp. Sab. on his shoulder a martlet Or, impaling St. John. 8. Arg. a bend Gu. gutty of the first, between two birds of the second, a chief checky Or, and Sab. for Pleydell, impaling St. John. 9. Arg. on a cross Gu. five escallops Or, for Villiers, impaling St. John. 10. St. John impaling Hungerford, quartered with per pale indented Gu. and Vert, over all a chevron Or. 11. Arg. on a chevron engrailed Sab. three bucks' heads cabossed of the field, between three etoiles of fix points Gu. impaling St. John. 12. St. John impaling St. John. 13. Barry of fix Arg. and Gu. a canton Erm. for Apsley, impaling St. John.
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/london-environs/vol1/pp26-48#fnn18

Nice write-up about St. John family history and Lydiard Park, written by a direct descendant of Margaret Beauchamp and Sir Oliver St John.
"Memories of Lydiard Park going back over 50 years"
By Ben Fitzgerald - 31 October 2016
https://swindonlink.com/memories-of-lydiard-park-going-back-over-50-years/

St.John / St. John / St John vs. Saint John
The surname "St John" is most often spelled in the shortened form, either with or without punctuation.

Sometimes the abbreviated spelling is made into one word with the punctuation:
"St.John" - Lydiard Park uses this variation.

Pronunciation varies. "Sin-jun" is the most English way of pronouncing the surname.

The Visitation of the County of Huntingdon
Under the Authority of William Camden, Clareneaux King of Arms, by His Deputy, Nicholas Charles, Lancaster Herald, A. D. MDCXIII.


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