The geographical entity referred to by FAG called "Greater London" did not exist in 1813.

Edmund/Edmond Simmons Fish was born in St. John's Parish, Hackney, Middlesex, England and baptised on the 17th January 1813 at St. John's Parish Church, Hackney, London.

This ancient parish, was originally dedicated to St Augustine, but by c.1660 it had been rededicated to St John the Baptist and usually referred to as St John at Hackney. It was in the Diocese of London.

Parents:

Robert Fish (1780–)

Elizabeth Lovell Wainwright (1783–1835)

1st Spouse: Martha Floyd (1816 – 1847)

Married in 1835 in the Parish of St. Mary's, Lambeth, Surrey, England. Died in the parish of St. Saviour, Southwark, London

Buried at Nunhead, Southwark, London.

Name: Edmund Simmons Fish

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Event Date: 23 Aug 1835

Event Place: St. Mary'S, Lambeth, Surrey, England

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Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03343-2

System Origin: England-EASy

GS Film number: 1041644

Reference ID: item 3 p 215

Citing this Record:

"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6XM-FBZ : 10 December 2014), Edmund Simmons Fish and Martha Floyd, 23 Aug 1835; citing St. Mary'S, Lambeth, Surrey, England, reference item 3 p 215; FHL microfilm 1,041,644.

Their children:

-- Edmund Fish, jr., b. 1835 in Walworth, Southwark, Bapt.St. Mary's Newington, Surrey, London, d. 1902, Fayette Co., Iowa, married Louisa Thurston, Mar., 1838, York Center, DuPage Co. Illinois, d. 1922, Windsor, Fayette Co., Iowa

-- Elizabeth Martha Fish, b. 1836 or 1837 in St Mary's Newington, Surrey, England, bapt. 29 Jan 1837 - Lambeth St John the Evangelist, England d. possibly abt. 1851 - she did not go to the USA with her family.

-- Henry Fish . Jan 1, 1838 in St. Mary's Newington, Lambeth, London, England, d. 24 December 1909 in Chicago, Cook Co, Illinois, married Selener Emma Belfield, b. 3 Jul 1847 in Dubuque, Dubuque, Iowa, d. 3 Mar 1938 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois

-- Mary Fish, b. May 1843 in Southwark, London, England, d. 3 Feb 1920 in Elgin, Kane, Illinois, married Frederick Schroeder, b. abt. 1826 in Prussia. He died 30 March 1888 in Chicago, Cook co., Illinois

-- Charlotte Fish, b. Oct 1844 in Southwark, England, d. 20 Sept 1922 in Elgin, Kane, Illinois, married Theodore Schroeder b. 2 July 1843, Prussia, [Germany], d. 29 Aug 1904, Elgin, Kane, Illinois.

2nd: Spouse: - Mary Philips, b. 1823, Clerkenwell,? London, England, d. May 21, 1898, Elgin, Illinois, USA

[Married on Apr 1848 at St James C of E Church, Clerkenwell Close, Clerkenwell, Islington, London].

[father: Jabez Phillips?]

Edmund was living at Clerkenwell, Islington

Their children:

-- Edna, born in London, d US unknown

-- Alfred Edwin Fish, b. Jun 1849 in Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England, d. 27 May 1932 in Springfield, Sangamon, Illinois, married Jane "Jennie" Gilmore, b. 15 Aug 1846 in Co. Armagh, Ireland, d. 8 Jan 1934 in Springfield, Sangamon, Illinois

-- Helen E Fish, b. 19 Feb 1852 in Clerkenwell, Middlesex, London, England, d. 8 Oct 1936 in Elgin, Kane, Illinois, USA, m. 22 Jun 1879 at Elgin, Kane, Illinois to Alfred H. Smith, b. Boston, Suffolk, Mass., d. Feb. 8, 1892, Springfield, Sangamon Co., Illinois

-- Augustine Thomas Fish, b. 10 Aug 1854 in St. Charles, Kane, Illinois, d. 5 May 1898 in St. Charles, Elgin, Kane, Illinois, married Margaret A. Peabody, b. 1856, New Jersey, d.4 Oct 1900 - Elgin, Kane County, Illinois

-- Harriett Carrie Fish (1857 –)

-- Kate J. Fish b. 21 December 1859 in Elgin, Kane, Illinois, d. Death 19 August 1885 in Elgin, Kane, Illinois, married Edgar Redfield Bolles, b. 13 Nov 1852 in Newark, Essex, New Jersey, d. 7 Sep 1926 in Queens, New York

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Edmund's parents lived in St. John's, Hackney, London. Edmond and his brothers, Robert, Charles, et al. were considered to be Gentlemen. His grandfather, Robert, was referred to as a Gentleman of Hackney, London.

While Martha and Edmund lived in the Newington/Lambeth area, Edmund was a victuallar, possibly supplying food and goods to the shipping trade. The riverside of Lambeth, was becoming an area of wholesale trade and manufacturing. In the 18th century it had been the idylic countryside retreat for Londoner in the hot summers.

But Newington is an old parish in part of the old Kennington Common, an historically important area for civil activity. By 1838, the area just south of Newington at the Kennington Church, near The Oval, down the Kennington Road at Kennington Common, (now a Park), was the site of civil unrest.

Indeed, it was a centre of unrest over the right of the general population to benefit from civil enfranchisement and it was the site of some of the Chartists demonstration and marches.

Several Fish children were baptised at St. Mary's Church, Newington, on the Kennington Park Road. It is part of the Diocese of Southwark, London. His first child, Edmund, jr. was born in 1835.

He appears to have managed at least three pubs:

The first two were in Southwark in south London, England. Southwark forms part of Inner London and is connected by bridges across the River Thames to the City of London. The third was in Clerkenwell which is an area of central London in the London Borough of Islington.

1835 - 1841

Edmund Fish married Martha Floyd in 1835 at St Mary Lambeth.

Edmund and his family (Martha, Elizabeth and Edmund,jr are seen in the 1841 Census. probably resident at Keen's Row, (corner with West Street), Walworth, London.

Edmund's occupation is Licensed Victualler at the i"Ship & Blue Coat Public House/i

-- The Ship & Blue Coat Boy public house, 15 Keens's Row (Walworth Rd.), Walworth, London.

After 1869 it was called the bTemple Bar/b, 286 Walworth Road, Newington, Surrey. and a favourite of many local young people. Today is is a Poundland - a store that sells many items at lower prices.

Census 1841 Walworth, Newington St. Mary's, London

Residence Address: Keen's Row, Walworth

Edmund Fish 28

Martha Fish 25

Elizabeth Fish 4

1843-1844

The 'Post Office Directories for 1843 & 1848' show Edmund Fish as the Publican holder of the Ship & Blue Coat Boy, 15 Keens Row, Walworth

1845 -

-- The Bear & Ragged Staff, 67 Upper Ground, Southwark, London, which is no longer there. [London Post Office Directory for 1845 - shows Edmund Fish as the publication of the I Bear and Ragged Staff /i at 67 Upper Ground, Blackfriars [Lambeth, London]

1847 -

Martha, Edmund's first wife died on 17 Jan 1847 • Upper Ground st, Blackfriars, St Saviour, Southwark, London. Edmund was the Landlord / publican at 67 Upper Ground st..

1848 - He remarried in 1848 to Mary Philips at St. James, Clerkenwell.

The family had moved to his last pub in London. before he migrated to the USA.

It was the Welsh Harp, 23 Aylesbury Street, Clerkenwell, London, across the river.

Edmund moved to Clerkenwell, St. James, across the river. where he married Mary Phillips and moved his family to the

3. The Welsh Harp, 23 Aylesbury Street, St. James, Clerkenwell, London.

Census 1851 Clerkenwell, St. James, London

Edmund Fish 38

Mary Fish 27

Elizabeth Fish 14

Henry Fish 13

Alfred Fish 2

Edmund's son Edmund was sent to Hill View School, Bexley, Kent, England - Census of 1851

In 1851 - Edmund Simmons Fish is the listed as the Licensed Victuallar of the Welsh Harp, 23 Aylesbury Street, Clerkenwell, London

1851 - UK Census of 1851 - the household listing shows

Edmund, aged 40 his step-mother Mary (Philips), aged 30,

Henry Fish, age 13, born in the parish of St. Mary's Newington, Lambeth, London, his older sister Elizabeth Martha Fish, age 14, also born in Newington, Lambeth, in London a brother Alfred Edwin, aged 2, born at Clerkenwell, Middlesex,London, probably at his Father's pub. - The Welsh Harp, Aylesbury Street, Clerkenwell, London (UK Census 1851)

The family seem to have left this pub sometime after 1851, as the census of 1851, shows a change of landlord.

'Kellys Directory of 1851', shows a new publican: Samuel S Clark is in charge of the Ship & Blue Coat Boy, 15 Keens Row, Walworth

September 1852, an article cited in the newspaper 'London Standard', shows that Edward Rountree was the publican of Ship & Blue Coat Boy, Walworth Road, and is seen as a witness in case

1851 - Edmund Simmons Fish appears before the Finsbury Petty Sessions

17 April 1851 - Important Crown prosecution for the adulteration of beer : Edward Simmons Fish, proprietor of the Welsh Harp, Aylesbury Street, Clerkenwell, was charged on an information, with adulteration of his beer with burnt sugar, treacle and common salt, Fined £200l. - 'London Standard'

By 1852 the family moved to the United States. They traveled to New York on the ship 'Alert' in 1852.

The recorded in the Passenger list are:

Edmund age 40 (his father),

Mary, aged 30, Edmund's 2nd wife.

Henry is aged 15,

Edmund, jr. is listed as age 13,

Mary, 10,

Charlotte, aged 8

Alfred Edwin, aged 4

Edna who is listed as under 12 months.

[Search Ship Database: Search the Alert in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Port of Arrival: New York Line: 10

Microfilm Serial: M237

Microfilm Roll: M237_121 ]

Elizabeth Martha Fish, the oldest girl of the Fish family, appears to have remained or died at Clerkenwell, London, England.

Between 1852 and 1854 the Fish family had moved to Elgin, Illinois.

There Edmund kept the family alive by running a Saloon on the corner of Mill and Milwaukee in Elgin, Illinois. [search for 'F' and ELGIN CITY DIRECTORY]

This is the family household shown by the Census of 1860 - Elgin, Kane, Illinois:

Edmund S Fish 48

Mary [Philips] Fish 37

Henry Fish 23

Edmond Fish 21

Mary Fish 17

Charlotte Fish 15

Alfred Fish 11

Helen Fish 8

A T Fish 5

Harriett C Fish 3

Kate Fish 6/12

https://archive.org/stream/illinoisstatebus00smit#page/138/mode/2up/search/Fish

His will was probated in 1863 in Elgin, Kane, Illinois, USA

The death records at the 'Gail Borden Library' in Elgin, Illinois, state that Mary Phillips Fish had lived in Elgin for 46 years - collaborating the date of arrival at 1852.