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SERGEANT

COMPANY F

8TH PENNSYLVANIA CALVARY

CIVIL WAR VETERAN

~ Taken from His Family too soon

~ All gave some, Some gave All ~

ORIGINAL INTERNMENT

June 1862

The Odd Fellows Cemetery was located a short distance from Old Glenwood Cemetery and adjoined the smaller United American Mechanics' Cemetery.

The cemetery was a part of the United States National Cemetery System during the American Civil War with a leased lot within the cemetery for 277 soldiers that died in nearby hospitals.

The soldiers' remains were reinterred to the Philadelphia National Cemetery in 1885.

REINTERNMENT

1855

Philadelphia National Cemetery

West Osk Lane, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, USA

SOURCE STATING REINTERNMENT AT PHILADELPHIA NATIONAL CEMETERY:

Holt, Dean W. (2009). American Military Cemeteries, 2d ed. McFarland. pp. 397 [233]. ISBN 978-0786440238.

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UPDATE

2016

The Cemetery Traveler - by Ed Snyder

Ed Snyder began this blog in order to share his decade-long experience with all things cemeterial. As a photographer specializing in images of cemetery statuary, I've run into some interesting people, had some unexplainable experiences, and had a lot of fun.

Thursday, April 28, 2016

The Odd End to Philadelphia's Odd Fellows Cemetery

- Photo of William Dick Elementary School, Philadelphia (former site of Odd Fellows Cemetery)

- Photo of a Coffin piece from Odd Fellows Cemetery?

A few weeks ago I received an email from a woman who was wondering about the resolution of this situation. In December of 2013, wooden coffins were surprisingly unearthed under a schoolyard in north Philadelphia. The Philadelphia Water Company was digging under the playground at the William Dick Elementary School (shown above) when caskets and other remains were found.

When the story hit the news on Dec. 4 (see links at end), there was much media coverage. I went to the site to check it out. As far as I can tell, none of the graves that were excavated at that time were moved - seems like the Philadelphia Water Company just did their piping work and filled the ground back in.

There were pieces of old pine board laying around in the mud of the site, one of which I picked up. Possibly part of an old pine box.

I lost track of the story and began wondering myself whatever became of this find. I see no further mention of it on the Internet.

At the time of the incident, I missed an email from a reporter asking me to comment on the situation. Had I made the interview, I would have suggested he contact The Odd Fellows Cemetery Company in northeast Philadelphia for comment.

The site in question (24th and Diamond Streets), was originally the site of Odd Fellows Cemetery, which had been established in 1848.

Latest occupant of the land once occupied by the Odd Fellows Cemetery.

About a hundred years later, in 1951, the City of Philadelphia displaced Odd Fellows Cemetery and used the space to build a housing project and this public school.

About 80,000 bodies were supposedly moved to:

1) Lawnview Cemetery in Rockledge (a Philadelphia suburb in Montgomery County), and

2) Mount Peace Cemetery, at 3111 West Lehigh Avenue, Philadelphia.

Both locations were, and are still, owned by the Odd Fellows Cemetery Company.

The woman who wrote to me had a vested interest in the situation. It seems that many of her ancestors had originally been buried at Odd Fellows Cemetery.

Ironically, a few months prior to the unearthing of the coffins at Odd Fellows' original site, she had requested copies of her ancestors' burial records from the Odd Fellows Cemetery Company in Rockledge. Her ancestors had been buried there in the 1860s, 1870s, and 1880s. She received the records, which were stamped "Moved to Lawnview in 1951," complete with lot numbers of the graves. She had accepted all this as fact until the coffins were discovered.

Now she's not so sure!

- Photo of Plaque on monument in Odd Fellows Cemetery

When a cemetery or graveyard is moved, those in charge most likely try to move all the bodies. However, its fairly common that stragglers are left behind, and found years later by accident.

But if stragglers are later found, should they not be relocated as well?

The Philadelphia Water Company temporarily halted its work in December 2013 so archaeologists could examine the findings. As I was doing research for this article, I did see that an attempt was made by Philly.com to contact Odd Fellows Cemetery Company at the time of the schoolyard excavation. Calls were not returned.

- Photo of Lawnview Cemetery field where tens of thousands of bodies were reburied.

Why the name "Odd Fellows?"

"The Independent Order of Odd Fellows" began in 18th Century England, it was deemed odd to find people organized for the purpose of giving aid to those in need without recognition and pursuing projects for the benefits of all mankind."

- http://www.ioof.org/

- Photo of Plaque at Odd Fellows Cemetery

Odd Fellows began as a fraternal organization in America in 1819, and continues to this day. Currently, the organization sees itself as a "...family of Odd Fellowship, composed of Men, Women, and Youth, believing in a supreme being, the creator and preserver of the universe, who have come together in our local communities having the same beliefs and values as others, that; Friendship, Love and Truth are the basic guidelines that we need to follow in our daily lives".

- Photo (ref.). Friendship, Love and Truth are usually symbolized by the three chain links seen in the photo at left; sometimes the letters F-L-T are written within the links.

- Photo of Sidewalk at 24th and Diamond Streets

The photo at right was taken in April 2016. It shows the new sidewalks at 24th and Diamond Streets which were poured after the opened graves had been filled back in, subsequent to the Philadelphia Water Company finishing its work. The fence encloses the playground of the William Dick Public School.

There is no memorial plaque or anything to indicate that portions of the Odd Fellows Cemetery still exist under the playground.

Lawnview Cemetery, Rockledge, PA

Lawnview Cemetery has been the recipient of tens of thousands of relocated graves over the years, from other cemeteries besides Odd Fellows. The most notorious being the twenty thousand graves from Philadelphia's Monument Cemetery, which was razed in 1956. The rumor was that all these bodies were dumped into a mass grave.

If you talk to the people at Lawnview, they tell you that they have a record showing the actual plot where each body was buried. No reason not to trust that, except that, as people found out in north Philly in 2013, not all the graves (from Odd Fellows) were actually moved.

If you drive through Lawnview Cemetery, there is a vast field with no grave markers. This is where the burials from Monument Cemetery and Odd Fellows Cemetery are. There are no monuments, headstones, or markers of any kind because most of them were dumped into the Delaware River (you can read about that here).

Some markers from Odd Fellows Cemetery remained, albeit buried, at their original location. News reports say that marble headstones were found during the Philadelphia Water Company's excavation in 2013.

If you drive through Lawnview, I will tell you that the sight is a bit unsettling. The field in question looks flat at first glance. But if you drive, the lateral view you get is a decidedly unflat grassy field. The peaks of the many trenches they must have dug to accommodate the tens of thousands of bodies are quite obvious.

- Photo of Fields of Graves at Lawnview Cemetery, Rockledge, Pennsylvania, USA

I realize that I've posed more questions than answers in this blog post. If anyone can shed light on the topic, please post a comment here or email me at [email protected].

References and Further Reading:

Lawnview and the Odd Fellows Cemetery Company Website

1) http://thecemeterytraveler.blogspot.com/2011/05/how-monument-cemetery-was-destroyed.html

2) Odd Fellows organization on Wikipedia

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/

3) Caskets-Found-Underneath-School-Playground-234493631.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/coffins-uncovered-playground-project-article-1.1538662

4) http://thecemeterytraveler.blogspot.com/2012/03/beachcombing-in-hell-gravestones-of.html

StoneAngels: The Cemetery Traveler

24 Comments:

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Comment from Unknown

April 28, 2016

at 5:42 AM

" This needs to be brought to Michael Coard's attention. He seems to think that only black cemeteries have this done to them. "

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Comment from Anonymous

April 28, 2016

at 1:28 PM

" I had many ancestors buried at Odd Fellows. The burial records for the cemetery are available on Ancestry. Not everyone was moved because some of those noted in OF's books have no re-burial stamp.

One of my great grandfathers has a weird stamp as having been moved to Rockledge in 1904, Diamond Section. It can't be. Diamond Section was for those moved in the 1950's. Also, there was no reason to move him at that time. He died in 1851. His four year old granddaughter was buried on top of him (in 1864) and supposedly moved in the 1950's.

Did they re-bury her at that time (1904)? Doubtful. Naturally, if we would like info from Rockledge to locate them, we have to pay for it.

I doubt my ancestors were moved at all. "

Reply:

StoneAngels: The Cemetery Traveler

May 19, 2016

at 10:35 AM

" That is one crazy story. Sorry so many people had to put up with this. "

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Comment from Anonymous

October 10, 2016

at 3:55 PM

" There are some burial plaques at Lawnview that lie flat on the ground so that they can be mown over. I had a plaque placed over what is supposed to be my great grandparents grave, which also contains Greatgranddad's parents and a sister.

I've always had doubts and am still simmering that the relative notified in 1951, who could have saved the stones on those graves, decided not to do so. Too many of my ancestors' bodies have been yanked up over the years, going back to Colonial days, so that another tenement could be built for newcomers. No respect at all for those who built the city of Philadelphia. "

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Comment from epraneeley

March 13, 2018

at 3:19 PM

" How could the City of Philadelphia let this happen !! so much for the founding fathers & mothers. To lose all this history, it seems that the real concern at the time as usual "money" & politics.

Documentation should have been made, and the time taken to move "all" the head stones to the new location and "not" dump them in the river. "

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Comment from pamelaj

March 3, 2019

at 11:07 PM

" Say it! The city should be made to hire archaeologist and find what's left - where they dumped the headstones exactly might be a good start and then get down to why if they were going to do what they did, why were detailed written notes not kept. People just disappeared completely during the move. Horrific. "

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Comment from Unknown

July 16, 2018

at 4:19 PM

" I just finished a trip to find my ancestors that were moved to Lawnview. I had all the records from Odd Fellows and Lawnview showed me where to look at Glenwood lawn row 58. We found one brass marker with Rumrill but we had to dig for it. I actually used my metal detector to locate it. Over time a lot of markers have sunk in. "

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Comment from beardedmike

February 17, 2020

at 4:46 AM

" Did you get any issues with bringing a metal detector to the cemetery? I was just there this past weekend and couldn't locate a marker. Was thinking of doing the same thing. "

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Comment from Unknown

October 4, 2018

at 4:15 PM

" Heinrich Ginal, a Lutheran minister, was buried at Odd Fellows July 9, 1887. Records from the other 2 cemeteries do not mention him, so he is probably one of the individuals left behind. "

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Comment from Unknown

January 5, 2019

at 5:18 PM

" Doing genealogy, I discovered that my husband's g-g-grandfather was a Civil War veteran. He moved to Philadelphia from London around 1850. He died very young--two years after the war.

I was thrilled to find his Civil War records and that he was buried in Odd Fellows Cemetery in Philadelphia. But now we can't even find him, or his two teenaged sons who died around the same time.

I followed the directions for receiving information about where they were reburied and even sent a check last summer. We never heard a thing. As others have said, I don't know how Philadelphia could have let this happen. "

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Comment from pamelaj

March 3, 2019

at 11:03 PM

" Welcome to club! Heroes for freedom don't mean a thing compared with fat, rich tycoons!"

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Comment from Ruby

January 17, 2019

at 3:27 PM

" I did the same thing and did get a call today from someone at the Office in Lawnview Cemetery. It seems that my great grandfather was moved there and buried with a group of other Franklin Lodge members. The graves are unmarked. Kind of sad for me. "

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Comment from pamelaj

March 3, 2019

at 11:02 PM

" My Davis family were interred at Monument according to their death records. Yet they are not listed at Lawnview. I'm sure they just dumped these Union Soldiers heroes in a mass grave and chunked their headstones in the Delaware.

Doing this makes it impossible for descendants find their loved ones, who typically would have been buried together.

I'm very, very angry about the descreation of our American heroes. NO ONE should have their graves desecrated ever! "

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Comment from Liz McCafferty

March 25, 2019

at 12:47 PM

" Thank you so much for the research you have posted. You have helped me tell a family history with deeper detail and subsequently better understanding of a nearly forgotten ancestor. "

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Comment from Sally

November 11, 2019

at 5:12 PM

" SadieKate

Thank you for this story of Odd Fellows Cemetery, this is so tragic for all the families whose ancestors came to the United States for a better life.

This has helped me find my Uncle, at least I thought I found him. Birth January 1910 Death August 1910 buried in Odd Fellows Cemetery.

How tragic for all.

Thank you for this post. "

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Comment from KKO

November 27, 2020

at 12:21 PM

" My 4X great grandfather was buried at Odd Fellows in 1861. I found a health certificate that allowed my 3X great grandmother, his daughter to transfer her father to another cemetery - Mount Vernon. This occurred in 1881.

For those who are trying to find relatives that were moved, it is possible they were moved to a totally different cemetery. "

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Comment from Unknown

January 29, 2021

at 1:15 PM

" Thank you for this blog, it has solved the mystery of gaping hole in my Phila family history.

I have found numerous burial records on Ancestry and wonder if we could organise with Find A Grave to create a virtual cemetery where we can all register the death and burial records of our Odd Fellows Phila ancestors for those who follow in our footsteps in search of a non-existent headstone? "

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Comment from Anonymous

May 16, 2023

at 1:33 PM

" I like this idea! "

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Comment from Scotland2Wales

June 22, 2021

at 3:58 AM

" In 1875, my great grandmother purchased a family plot in Philadelphia Odd Fellows Cemetery. The original cemetery record shows 16 burials, with their name, cause and date of death, in this plot.

I can identify my relationship to 15 of the persons listed. Included are great grandparents, grandparents, aunts and uncles.

On the family plot record are 2 stamps with hand written notations indicating removal of the burials to Lawnview Cemetery on a specific day in 1951.

Of course, I am unsure if or how many were actually moved. About half were children from a few hours to a few years old. I cannot imagine there was much to rebury. My family had believed all had been safely tucked away permanently for their eternal rest.

I am barely able to describe the horror anger and sadness I experienced upon learning of their fate and that of thousands of other in all the Philadelphia cemeteries and specifically in Odd Fellows. Obviously the deed one receives with a plot purchase is only symbolic and gives the owner no real control over the little piece of dirt they "own".

When there was no longer money to be made from new burials, the cemetery under the auspices of the Odd Fellows organization decided those in their care no longer mattered and they had no duty or responsibility to maintain or repair. Due to their neglect and depraved in difference they created the circumstances that required the removal. I wish to ask all those considering putting their trust in the Odd Fellows Cemetery Company of Philadelphia and placing family in one of their 3 cemeteries (including Lawnview) to remember this history. They may want to consider reviewing the compensation the Board of Trustees has received from this "nonprofit" in recent years, which is available on line. They should notice the number of board officers and trustees that share the same last name and close relationships. They most certainly should pay attention to a current policy that demonstrates no remorse over this previous behavior and no awareness they owe family of these removals the minimal courtesy of telling us where our family is now buried without paying a fee, a fee that no other cemetery I have ever dealt with has required. I am told getting this info requires they look in old books and if they did it for free, there would be too many requests and they would be "unable to get their work done", yada, yada, yada.

Shouldn't their work and attitude include "Oh we are so sorry for what we did to your family. What can we do to make amends and help you? We would never charge for helping you find family. If to visit we will be happy to take you to their location and show you the exact site. By the way, upon request we provide at no cost a modest marker." I am not delusional and I don't actually ever expect that kind of over the top politeness.

I would like some decent, bare minimum and frankly long overdue recognition of the harm caused and policies that do not add insult to that injury. It has been suggested to me by those in the funeral industry that this policy is a poor business policy and outside the norm. I would also point out the policy offers ripe opportunities for poor public relations. If the staff is really overwhelmed and unable to assist without this extra fee, perhaps the board should consider taking a bit less compensation and hire more staff.

A more cynical person than myself might believe that $20 fee is not necessary but provides a nice little way to pad the compensation of the board. Then there is the small possibility staff has instituted this fee without the knowledge of the board but if that is so it raises questions of board competency. They know or they do not. Either way is unacceptable.

All I am saying is before you do business with these people, be aware, understand your rights and their legal responsibility. I don't know about others but I want a guarantee I will stay put where I am planted. "

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Comment from Anonymous

August 16, 2021

at 5:26 PM

" What happened at Odd Fellows is not unusual. Once a cemetery is full and there's no money to be made, the company looks to sell it or abandon it. People are rightly upset about this.

That said, many cemeteries in Philly have been sold, bodies removed (or not), paved over etc. This will be the fate of others such as Fernwood someday, which is getting filled up. There is no such thing as permanent resting place. "

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Comment from Swan

June 22, 2021

at 7:41 PM

" Green funerals are the future. It seems Lawndale cemetery is ahead of its time. One communal headstone should suffice. "

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Comment from Anonymous

August 16, 2021

at 5:30 PM

" Scotland2Wales - sadly there is no such thing as a guarantee you'll be able to stay put where planted. The only way you can stay permanently planted is to be one of the bodies NOT re-interred anywhere else. To be paved over or a building built over your place. So many cemeteries in Philly (and elsewhere) have disappeared, with bodies removed (or not) to other places. "

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Comment from Planet

August 27, 2021

at 6:16 PM

" Oddly (pun intended) enough, I was just doing some research on a burial @ W.Laurel Hill today. Ancestry.com found a record of that person, Eliza Phy, having been reinterred from Odd Fellows. Wonder how that happened. "

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Comment from Jill Baer

December 29, 2023

at 5:51 AM

" I too have family that were buried in Oddfellows originally and were moved to Lawnview in 1953.

The photo that shows the land they were moved too is correct except the graves have metal plates with names on them at each grave. The ground has grown up over some of the plates due to years of no visitors/mowing.

I visit there when I can and take a medal detector along to find the plates that are buried. I have made a habit of finding as many plates as I can and digging them up so they can be found but I do not live in the area anymore so it is few and far between before this can be done.

My family has two graves in this plot with what I am told is 16 bodies, or what is left of them, in two caskets. There is a medal plate on the grave with three family names which matches what I have for family records.

The cemetery has always been helpful with giving me copies of the information I have asked for. All the records do list who is buried in this plot and that they were moved to Lawnview from Oddfellows in May of 1953.

I am upset that the head stone was not preserved with the grave but maybe there were too many to place on the one grave. I am hoping since there are records stating that they were moved and there is a marker with the last names on the grave that their bodies were actually moved.

If you want more information just google Oddfellows Cemetery and see what you find out.

Another cemetery that was defunct was the Philanthropie Cemetery/Arlington Cemetery. Temple University wanted to expand their campus and were to move over 28000 graves from Monument Cemetery to Lawnview. The headstones were thrown into the Delaware River and some can still be seen today on the banks.

That makes me question whether all of the bodies were actually moved or just some with families that were of higher class. One of the people in my family has been listed as an important person buried in Oddfellows because he worked in the Philadelphia Mint. Maybe that is why the whole family was moved.

***The field/plot mentioned in this website is in no why large enough to hold an entire cemetery such as Oddfellows so where did the rest of the bodies go?????

Check out this website:

https://thecemeterytraveler.blogspot.com/2011/05/how-monument-cemetery-was-destroyed.htmldid

This website talks about the tombstones that were dumped in the Delaware River. "

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UPDATE

March 22nd, 2021

Without more information it is impossible to be sure, but my best guess for this memorial is that it is:

Thomas Sale

b. ~1819

d. 17 Jun 1862 of a gun shot wound

1) Originally buried in Odd Fellows Cemetery as a part of the Philadelphia National Cemetery system that existed at the time, but never actually relocated to the present ---

2) Philadelphia National Cemetery at Haines St. and Limekiln Pike, and possibly removed to the present

3) Lawnview Cemetery in Rockledge when the original Odd Fellows Cemetery went defunct in the early 1950s.

Not 100% sure. Just my guess.

Thank you for internment and birth year update provided by Contributor:

GenealogyByTim

Find A Grave Member

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